India tries to milk its interior minister's US visit by faking a Pakistani rocket attack across the border. In 2000, when President Clinton was about to land in New Delhi, the Indians sent fake Kashmiri freedom fighters to kill innocent minority Sikhs in Kashmir in cold blood and blamed Pakistan. Like synchronized film dances, the Indians have perfected the art of political drama.
By Dan Qayyum
PakistanKaKhudaHafiz.com
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—In an attempt to make the most of Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram’s visit to the US, India has floated a sensational news leak that India was attacked by Pakistani rangers using ’several rockets’ at the only border crossing between the two countries, called the Wagah sector.
Staging false flag attacks is nothing new for Indians when trying to paint Pakistanis as terrorists. These accusations are always timed with high-profile talks with American leaders.
Let's rewind to year 2000: Chattisinghpora, Occuped Kashmir – On the eve of the then US President Bill Clinton’s visit to India, 35 Kashmiri Sikhs were massacred in cold blood by Indian security forces posing as Kashmiri freedom fighters. The usual ‘Lashkar-e-Tayba militants’ were rounded up and executed in fake-encounters, the ‘Pakistani National’ was produced, ensuring Clinton’s entire visit focused on what India calls ‘Pakistan-backed terrorism’. It was only much later when the damage was done that the truth of the massacre came out, implicating Indian soldiers and intelligence agencies in this heinous crime.
The Indian security forces went a step ahead in their brutality back then. Indian police opened fire on unarmed Kashmiris protesting the murders of five innocent Muslims right after the staged Sikh massacre, killing another eight innocent people and bringing the total toll of this massacre closer to fifty.
Pakistan calling India’s bluff?
Pakistan has officially offered to hold an open debate with the Indian home minister over the probing of Mumbai attacks, calling the Indian bluff.
Interior Minister Rehman Malik said, “I am ready for the debate anywhere in India, Pakistan or wherever his Indian counterpart likes.”
Talking to journalists in Islamabad, Malik started off by pointing out that the first formal response to Pakistan’s February 9 request for information came on June 20th and that too was in Marathi language. Besides citing other Indian lapses, he pointed out that India refused to share the Samjotha Express dossier [Hindu terrorists with connivance of Indian military intelligence personnel torched a friendship train carrying Pakistani visitors to India in 2006].
Malik said he had received the latest Indian dossier in which the Indians have provided us with a statement from Ajmal Kasab, who claims now that he spoke to Hafiz Saeed, the leader of Pakistani Kashmiri group, when he was in Mumbai.
‘Initially the Indians said Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi was the mastermind and we arrested him … now they have started saying that Hafiz Saeed is the mastermind,’ Malik said.
Pakistan to take up Kashmir and Afghanistan before the UN
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided to take up the issue of Kashmir and Afghanistan effectively at a session of the United Nations General Assembly this year.
Pakistan will inform the international community about its reservations on the Indian tactics and policies meant to delay and avoid the resolution of Kashmir issue. Pakistan will also take up the faltering war against terrorism in Afghanistan.
The decision to this effect was taken during two separate meetings held at the foreign office, a private TV channel reported. Relevant authorities briefed the Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi about Kashmir and Afghanistan.
During the meeting, Pakistani policymakers decided that Pakistan would ask the United Nations to ensure a resolution of the long-lingering issue of Kashmir on a priority basis for durable peace in the region.
The international community would also be informed about the human rights violations committed by Indian forces in occupied Kashmir, sources said.
Besides officers of relevant authorities, officers of intelligence agencies including Director General Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha attended the meeting.
Pakistan will also take up the issue of Afghanistan during the session and would inform the largest world body about problems being faced by Pakistan because of the wrong policies of the allies occupation forces in Afghanistan, a Pakistan television channel reported.
India tries to milk its interior minister's US visit by faking a Pakistani rocket attack across the border. In 2000, when President Clinton was about to land in New Delhi, the Indians sent fake Kashmiri freedom fighters to kill innocent minority Sikhs in Kashmir in cold blood and blamed Pakistan. Like synchronized film dances, the Indians have perfected the art of political drama.
ReplyDeleteThis type of preface,sort of puts your confused mind at rest,before you get to the serious business of writing and quoting crap,there must be some justification to explain the tomfoolery you indulge in...good keep the bladder-dash coming,actually we don't give two hoots,about your sense of insecurity,we guyz hardly bring Pakistan into any equation,unless there is a cricket match.why on earth should we milk any ministers visit to America,we don't have for stupid work like cross border terrorism,big nations don't need to do it,America better give us the undivided attention India expects,it has to come as a right.we don't make weekly visits to America,explaining and submitting reports and account ledgers,to avoid hand to mouth existence,we don't have any Kerry- Luger bill on hand outs,for America to set terms and conditions to India....adios.
@Mano,
ReplyDeleteI am from Srinagar, Kashmir and every word about Chattisinghpora and its after-math is true, the sikhs were killed by the Indian security and it has been established beyond a doubt and this was the reason why the Sikhs did not leave Kashmir like how the Kashmiri pandits did. The Indian intelligentsia were hoping to incur the wrath of Sikhs on Kashmiri Muslims n paint them red once again as was done by Jagmohan. Mr. Mano, we in Kashmir despise you Indians to the core, your country conducts elections in fortified segmental garrisons and then boasts of itself as being a vibrant democracy. What kind of a democracy kills and rapes innocent Kashmiris on a daily basis and denies them their basic right of self determination. My 72 year old uncle was shot point blank because he refused say "I AM AN INDIAN" which he never was, you Indians are unwelcome and detested by Kashmiris at all levels except for those pro-India elitist few who are protected by your SOG's.Even your poster boy in Kashmir i.e. Omar Abdullah won his election by delinking his government from the Indian occupation.
India has routinely employed Israeli intelligence officers in its efforts to counter Kashmiri uprisings. Lessons learnt by Israelis in Gaza and West Bank are taught to the Indians and vice-versa.
Mr.Mano I invite u to http://kashmir.forumakers.com/ and discuss with us Kashmiris rather than talk here to our Pakistani brothers who have done no wrong but tried to help their Kashmiri brethren.
Bro AQ, don't let these base Indian chameleons mislead u, u r doing a fantastic job and well done. Just impress upon your Government to not give any more leeway to the Indians, on the contrary Pakistan should go out on an all out International over-drive to push for the Kashmir resolution. Bilateral talks is bull shit n hogwash. TASHKENT/Simla/LAHORE Declaration/AgraSummit/Back Channel negotiations etc etc all have failed cause India is not sincere, it just keeps on buying time to continue oppressing Kashmiris and change the demographics of J&K. The Pro-India Kashmiri professor Saifuddin Soz has gone on record for that.check http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/20000918/ina18040.html
There are enough Kashmiri pundits,who can say the say things about Kashmiris,Pakistanis and Pakistan in the same tone and tenor as you profess,there are many Muslim kasmiris,with divergent views,the balochis don't want to be called Pakistanis,they want their freedom from Pakistan,Pakistanis have been killing them and bringing down their leaders,nothing can be done,if you don't like Indians,the loc is there cross it and be happy,the map of India will be never redrawn,in the modern world,separatist movements or not...we are prepared to play the game for centuries if needed.you will have to learn to live with reality.
ReplyDelete@Mano,
ReplyDeleteBring it on Mano, India as a nation is just 60 years old, in the past it was a region which had a common culture but not common nationalities. The only time when this region has existed in somewhat the same formation is during the Mughal rule and in the time of Ashoka. So, if a nation state as it exists today is only 60 years old and has problems with practically all its neighbours i.e. Pakistan/China/Nepal/Burma/Bangladesh/Sri-lanka.....I do not understand your comment about centuries. Yes, you may be occupying us at the moment and may kill/slaughter another million Kashmiris in the name of your great democracy but we won't give up on our just and true struggle. Your PRIME MINISTER MR.J L Nehru promised us a referendum at the UN.....be a true democracy and hold that referundum. If you truly believe that many Kashmiris will vote for u in a plebiscite, then go ahead and hold one.
I DARE YOU TO HOLD A PLEBISCITE NOW- YOU FILTHY SCUM MINDED FOLLOWERS OF CHANAKYA NITI will never ever dare to hold a plebiscite unless the International community forces u to. I don't know how much time that will take but one day we will establish a secular democratic Kashmir free from the INDIAN YOKE.
Adios Mano and stop preaching things to Pakistanis when 33% of your population does not even have one square meal a day not to mention the pathetic state of your children which according to WHO are the most malnourished in the world.
INDIA TODAY IS LIKE A PERSON WHO IS HOLDING ON TO ITS TURBAN WHEN ITS PANTS HAVE UNZIPPED AND FALLEN DOWN.
sure i will bring it on any time you want,too bad Pakistan/China/Nepal/Burma/Bangladesh/Sri-lanka have problems,you left out Male and Bhutan in a hurry...Jawarlal Nehru may be the first prime minister of India,Kashmir is not his grand fathers property,to promise anything,there is a parliament,and he should have got a vote on it,before opening his mouth,As Indians its not our problem today,to keep up Nehru word which he gave,without proper consultations....we don't believe in the concept of Kashmiris etc,etc,they are Indians as far as the majority of the population thinks they are,no prime minister or any one else,in the future is going to hold plebiscite,referendum etc,you may be entertaining such fairy tales,not our problem really,you first take care of Baluchistan,nwfp,not that i care how you treat them,i retorted becoz,you were making a big noise about Kashmir,i believe in the adage,barking dogs seldom bite.yep we will take care of our 33% or 133%,oh yes and read today's telegraph,Orangi has become the biggest slum in Asia.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/6154572/Karachis-Orangi-beats-Slumdog-Millionaires-Dharavi-in-Mumbai-as-Asias-largest-slum.html
See today's Dawn news,Zardari is in screaming in America like nanga,bookha bekhari,with a big begging bowl in his hand,asking for special eid hand outs....with both hands clutching the begging bowl,it will be difficult for him,to pull his pants up,anyway it does not matter,you had no pants 60 years back,you don't have pants now,60 years later,Just in case you miss the head lines,here you are,i brought it on.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/04-zardari-seeks-release-of-1.6bn-for-terror-war-funding-qs-01
"sure i will bring it on any time you want,too bad Pakistan/China/Nepal/Burma/Bangladesh/Sri-lanka have problems,you left out Male and Bhutan in a hurry...Jawarlal Nehru may be the first prime minister of India,Kashmir is not his grand fathers property,to promise anything,there is a parliament,and he should have got a vote on it,before opening his mouth,As Indians its not our problem today,to keep up Nehru word which he gave,without proper consultations"
ReplyDeleteA famous Kashmiri proverb which sums up the feelings of the Kashmiri society towards Indians is "Heound Yaar gow Kaveour Naar" which means having an Indian for a friend is like making friends with fire, the only thing that can happen is that you end up burning yourself.
You have denounced what the Prime Minister of your country stated at the UNITED NATIONS.Guess, your Prime Ministers do not represent your country then...ha ha ha... I laugh at your lack of knowledge. Mr. Nehru made repeated statements in your parliament and went on record to issue such statements in majority of your papers. Sorry to burst your bubble but by now you must have realized that I am not a Pakistani but a Kashmiri from the Indian occupied part....my identity is Kashmiri and according to majority of my Kashmiri brethren, you Indians sir are occupiers and usurpers. Time will come when you will have to vacate our motherland and till then we will continue our just and truthful struggle against all your tyrannical violence. You have killed a 120,000 of us Kashmiris and not been able to shut up our voice, chances are that you may kill a million more but we will not give up on our just struggles and basic human rights of self determination.
Rome went, Soviet Union is no more, The British Empire is extinct,The Turks have gone and so has Chengez Khan... its your umpteenth time in history Mano....try to build your country stronger rather than spend more than 21% of your GDP on holding onto Kashmir which only belongs to Kashmiris and no one else especially not India.
For God's sake, stop raping and pillaging us...leave us alone...we do not want you in Kashmir. INDIAN DOGS GO BACK.
@ Mano,
ReplyDelete1) The overwhelming majority of Kashmiris do not identify themselves as Indians so please stop addressing us as Indians. You may go on with your tirades but that's the finite truth.
2) Yes the Indian army understands us very well, that's why 700,000 of them continue murdering us in cold blood and keep the rest of us imprisoned. Kashmir is the worlds biggest/dirtiest concentration camp.
3)Kashmir is not your territory mano, if it is then name one country in the world which considers Kashmir as an integral part of India n I will hand u the crown.The last time I checked it, each n every country in the world considered it as a disputed territory.
4)Arrogance will be your nations downfall mano, like I said you don't need us Kashmiris....u need the territory and you might eventually get it but only after wiping each and every genuine Kashmiri.Then change its name to some Indian army name.
5) We Kashmiris are a weak poor nation imprisoned by your glorious tyrannical army under the garb of a vibrant democracy. We cannot fight you militarily and are no match for your immense numbers. I mean we are a population of a paltry 7.2 million against 1.3 billion Indians....however we have faith in the truthfulness of our cause n the justice that God serves.
You were colonized by the British and in turn you have colonized us....sure you are a step ahead of the British with respect to atrocities committed on us hapless people but although you may shut us up now by pointing a barrel of the gun down our throats, you cannot and will never be able to kill the simmering resentment that we Kashmiris fathom in our hearts against the Indians n your army.
Continue your occupation but as Arundhati Roy aptly put it, Kashmir will never be India just like India could never be British. You have not been able to shut us up for the last 60 years. Chances are that this quagmire will get worse but I can promise you one thing for sure that the great poet Sir Allama Iqbal who was from Kashmir described Kashmiris like this "Jis Khaak ke Zameer mein ho Aatish-e-Chinar mumkin nahin ke Sard ho woh Khaake arjumand".
Adios and "ghus kormakh Khudayas hawale"
chinaar
ReplyDelete1)India is a land of myriad ethnicity,one group does not look like the other,that's the basis of India,everybody lives with it,this line of argument is not something that is of concern to us.it is not as if kashmiri Muslims are gods gift to Kashmir,when it came to purging the thousands of Kashmiri pundits,you did not mind throwing the tenets of human rights out of the window,and set upon them like a pack of blood thirsty wolves.So lets not see the embarrassment of crocodile tears being shed in name Kashmiri identity,your brand of finite truth and my so called tirades, which don't suit you,are as bogus as Pakistani claim of kashmir being its jugular.
2)the Indian army has a job to do,it has the endorsement of the nation, if you indulge in terrorism,in the name of, the rights of the kashmiris right to self expression,murder and acts of violence is not going to be given a back seat.you are as you say a population of 7.2 million,700000 soldiers pales into insignificance in terms of numbers.Maybe you like the atmosphere at git-mo,and Al gharib.
3)Kashmir is not my territory,maybe, but its well withing the map of constituent India in the world atlas,and we intend to keep it that way,my right to protect it is as important as your right to deny the same.except for Pakistan,including the oic consider it a bilateral issue,whats so great in that,countries have disputes,i have not seen any country come and tell us to hand over kashmir....the Indian constitution decides what it does with its problems,every country has skeletons in its cupboard,they don't have any moral authority to preach India the basics of human rights.
4)Since when did a fight to keep the integrity of a nation become arrogance,its like the devil teaching the scriptures.you need to break up India,and that's not going to happen,the Muslims are known for their rape,plunder,and wanton waste of the land of different faiths,at one instance your chest swells with pride when you say,Muslims ruled over Hindus for a thousand years,basically on the misery of others,the next moment,you crying human rights violations,how convenient,suddenly you begin to put up an act of holier than thou act, life is a two way street.
5)Ah,this is classical story telling time,indulge in abetting and aiding terrorists,kill and chase away kashmiri pundits in the thousands,and now evolve it a story of David vs Goliath.we have the same faith and single mindedness in pursuance of the task of keeping our borders intact...we reserve the rights to keep the likes of Qasab,in their own house.
The middle east,and a the jewel in the crown were ALL colonized by Britain,i don't need history lessons from you,who tends to twist it to suit your present agenda....look lets not get into the argument of buying pity for your lost cause,we don't like terrorists,that's not asking for too much,nor is the borders of India,and the land within negotiable you are free to quote any example,we will defend ourselves,come what may,coveting my land under any pretext geographically or historically is a no-no.The option to stay or go to more hospitable environment is yours.Sir Allama Iqbal was born in Sialkot Punjab,eons ago Sialkot may have been a summer capital,that's not relevant for us today.i am not preventing you from dreaming for a better to-morrow,its well within my rights,to keep every inch of my land,from foreign occupation..
ADIOS...and what ever.
@ all
ReplyDelete"a population of 7.2 million,700000 soldiers pales into insignificance in terms of numbers.Maybe you like the atmosphere at git-mo,and Al gharib."
Its a waste of time talking to this fanatic hindutva agent Mano,I mean he is justifying having a soldier in Kashmir for every 10 civilians. This stupid guy does not know that even at the height of the Iraq war, there were not more than 150,000-200,00 foreign soldiers on Iraqi soil.
The Government of India itself proclaims officially that not more than 500 militants are active in J&K then what is an army of 700,000 doing there......I presume they are there on a holiday.
Mano, you may talk about Kashmir as your territory now, a territory that you gained through deceit. The tyrant Hindu Maharaja against whom the Kashmiris had started the quit Kashmir movement in 1939 was promised by your Government a life of comfort, access to all his properties and estates in J&K and plus total control over his liquid assets. The cunning Maharaja knew that majority of the people in Kashmir(Except the elitist Feudal Pandits who were his henchmen) who hated him beyond what the serfs of Russia had for the Czars or the French peasants had for their aristocrats. He therefore signed the instrument of accession having been guaranteed by the deceitful Indians access to all his money.
Mano, India has done too many wrongs in Kashmir to come up with a right. Gone are the days when you could hood wink the world Mano by your cunning debauchery. The pandits were vacated by your glorious army under the directive of governor Jagmohan so that your army could freely kill the muslims. ITs you guys sir who are communal and fanatics not us Kashmiris. The Sikhs continue to live amongst us alongside the Buddhists......your intelligence will be scheming right now about how to break this bond too.
SHAME ON YOU INDIANS, you are the perpetrators and behave like the sufferers, its my brothers and sisters READ KASHMIRIS numbering more than 120,000 who have been killed by your slumdog army and yet you talk like a humanist.
YOU INDIANS ARE DEMONS AND NOTHING MORE, TALKING TO DEMONS is wrong, I guess we Kashmiris just have to continue fighting you demons even if it means perishing in the process.
Ghus Dafa houn Hehar.
chinaar,
ReplyDeleteIts a waste of time talking to this fanatic hindutva agent Mano,I mean he is justifying having a soldier in Kashmir for every 10 civilians. This stupid guy does not know that even at the height of the Iraq war, there were not more than 150,000-200,00 foreign soldiers on Iraqi soil.
You guyz generally loose the plot on scrutiny,and indulge in hollering crap which is more in line with obfuscating the subject on hand,and wander off into the imponderables,very typical of persons who need to lay their hands on other people belongings,somehow or the other,putting it more bluntly theft of generally accepted norm,claiming land well within the confines of democratic demarcating and accepted map.the Indian govt has never put a no of the military put up in its own territory,so the no of 700000 is a popular figure you felt comfortable with,simply because there is no need,there is an international border to protect,with such saintly looking laskar-e-toiba freedom fighters,dropping in to give you moral support from Pakistan, and as a by product kill,and maim and suicide bomb innocents...great which country on earth puts up with such atrocities..i am hiduvta as much as you are laskar-e-toiba.So don't indulge in ratio and proportions without a fix on the numbers.If you think you are wasting your time after your pompous stand of bring it on Mano,Why would i care if you call your own assertions a foolish thing,i am 100% sure only a fool wastes time,make up your mind.
Dont take a crack at history,and the genesis of Kashmir,which fits into your cause neatly..reality check mate,you are now standing well within the confines of India,you don't have much takers except those who support you,whose credentials are rock bottom,they need American troops to prop their rickety govt,who allow,their land,to Americans,who are merrily killing the afghans into submission,what a miserable honorarium that hangs around their necks as a millstone,Americas no 1 ally in killing off terrorists,which mainly happen to be their own citizens.
We don't owe the world community any explanation,what happens just simply happens,the worlds media is quite vibrant,besides we were never sorry in dealing with terrorism,we always send the packing into a six foot hole,where they rightly belong....first ask prez Bush and prez Obama for gitmo and other jails run by them,where human rights is the by word, and compassion is the bedrock of management....there are a few detention centers in Pakistanis border itself,WE don't approve of security firms like black-water,you like them perhaps.
How the kashmiri pundits were removed by you Muslims with great loving care from kashmiri soil,read the amnesty report on their removal,then you will know how just you are in laying claim to a land,which you can only live well entrenched in the confines of India,so don't queer the pitch.
let me clarify we do have the 700000 as per your claim to even give you a whiff we are sufferers,no way,the Indian army is primed to handle guerrillas and their ilk,killing terrorists in the cause of self-determination is no shame for us,its a duty we are bound to do,when called upon,have no two doubts about that.we are absolutely clear how we deal with that,what ever the price,i don't have to be shameful at the least defending my country,and will never ever entertain such regressive thoughts,make no mistake on that also.
well weather you are a demon or i am a demon,is pretty obvious to the whole world,come out of that well you are cracking incessantly,there is world outside that.
ADIOS AGAIN...LOL
LOL...trust the Indians to give such a Sarial answer. Oh please it was only a match, get over it already :-D
ReplyDeletetch tch.
@ Chinaar Brother.
ReplyDeletePlease ignore Mano, didnt you see what my comment about their reality did to him/her.
Dont waste your time on this person. These people are just good at twisting their words and running around in circles.
May Allah show Mano the right path. Ameen.
and May Allah give you the strenght to bear the loss of your uncle and also the unbearable pain inflicted on you and your fellow citizens by these Indians. You know how coward these Indians are...
I hope and pray that i get to see Kashmir as a free state in my lifetime. Free from these cowardly Indians who have raped our sisters and killed so many innocent people. Ameen
May these Indians get their hell in their lifetime.
PATRIOT
ReplyDeleteLOL...trust the Indians to give such a Sarial answer. Oh please it was only a match, get over it already :-D
Sure trust the Indians,we would never know how to give a Sarial answer....even assuming its a typo...it was a match all right,and made sure i got over it already,and waiting for the next meet...i hope this is Sarial enough:-XD
Dear Pakistani brothers/ A Quraishi,
ReplyDeletehttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/28/author_arundhati_roy_on_conflicts_and
Please go to this website and watch Arundhati Roy's interview. Its an eye opener and facts coming from a booker prize winner (An intellectual of the highest calibre).
Regards
Chinar
To whomsoever it may concern.
ReplyDeleteArundati Roys opinion and comments are well received in India,its a part of our secular system to read up views of a cross section of people,and as divergent as possible,but foreign policy and external affairs issues are not,taken by one persons view alone,this is a testimony and maturity of the nation and its people and their ability to accept other people views have to be looked into.Au contraire the moment we see views that is not in consistent with the majority perception,we don't cloak ourselves with a garb of self righteousness,and pass judgments on them,which are petulant and obnoxious,and start hollering about it,it is unfortunate people like Aundati roy are not spread across the sub continent...Taslima
nasreen is an apt example how views which are individual and divergent is tolerated.
@ Chinaar, Just read her interview. She seems sane. Allah bless her.
ReplyDeleteYes its hard to work out an agreement with Indians. We have been trying our best, putting in our efforts, i just pray all of this pain and misery goes away altogether. 60 years is a long time, dont know why Indians dont realize that they cant win over the Kashmiri people, Kashmiris hate them completely. They are just using their energy and resources on a battle long lost.
The thing is the Kashmir issue is hardly publicised in the western media. The UN seems the most defunct organizations of all.
The Americans (the 'superpower') are hell bent on attacking Iran (and every other country in the region) coz they see them as a threat. A threat coz Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has the guts to tell the American to get lost. A threat coz Iran is a nuclear power, and whomever (read Muslims) besides the US and UK have nuclear power gets the boot. So much hypocrisy and double standards in this world!. In such times its difficult to trust the West.
The fact is that the west is trying to destablize the whole region in the name of war against terror.
@ Patriot,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your wishes bro, Insha Allah, one day...Kashmir will be free from the Indian yoke.
Its taking time but we are slowly moving ahead.....read this article from BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8285106.stm
Regards
@ Mano,
ReplyDeleteu really are a numskull beyond compare, You showcase Tasleema Nasreen......ok agreed we Kashmiri/Pakistani muslims are not so good a people but WHAT ARE YOU???????
LET ME REMIND YOU OF YOUR JUDICIAL GREATNESS and I will not even include the hundreds of human rights cases in Kashmir.
1) NARENDRA MODI (NEED I elaborate MORE)
2) ADVANI ( BABRI MASJID)
3) Best Bakery Case.
4) Ram Janam Bhoomi case.
5) Bombay riots.
6) Accused people in Parliament attack.
7) Fake-Encounter killings.
The list is endless and speaks volumes about your nations greatness.
In my humble way I have done a little post-mortem of your great nation and so here goes...do read the entire text
@ Mano and his likes
here are some more facts....
33 % population of your 1.3 billion people below poverty line (source BBC country profiles and CIA World factbook).
Official Indian figures estimate that 27.5% of Indians lived below the national poverty line in 2004-2005. A 2007 report by the state-run National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector (NCEUS) found that 25% of Indians, or 236 million people, lived on less than 20 rupees per day with most working in "informal labour sector with no job or social security, living in abject poverty."
INDIA IS THE Only country in the sub-continent which has significant problems with each one of its neighbors i.e.
1) Territorial disputes with China....fought a war with China and was defeated miserably.China claims Arunachal Pradesh and parts of Sikkim in entirety.Took over Aksai-Chin from Indian Occupation (One Occupier replaced by another one...ha ha ha)
2) Territorial disputes with Pakistan.....Sir creek, Jammu & Kashmir, Has fought 2 major wars and 2 minor wars with Pakistan with no changes in the ground situation. Not even an iota of change.
3) Played with Srilankan politics which resulted in the Assassination of Rajiv Gandhi and lots of animosity between the two countries which continues till this day.
4) Increased Hostility towards Nepal with Nepal vociferously propagating to change all its treaties with India while at the same time getting closer to China.
5) Complete hostility towards Burma with minimal diplomatic exchanges.
6) Increased Hostility towards Bangladesh, A country India created to weaken Pakistan but it has come back to haunt it in an even bigger way. History is a cruel teacher and people living in glass houses should never throw stones.
7) Bhutan increasing its association with China with each passing day/month and year.
NO other country in South Asia is so alienated from virtually all its Neighbors as India is.
continued.....
ReplyDeleteDomestic problems;
1) 33 % below poverty line as already stated amounting to hundreds of millions of people.
2) Communal killings of minorities almost every year undermining its secular credentials. just recently it was Karnataka. Before that it was Orissa. I won't even talk of the barbaric acts perpetrated upon Muslim Indians.
3) Caste and regional tensions continue to haunt Indian politics, undermining its so called democratic ethos. Maharashtra/ Tamil nadu/Karnataka/Bihar etc etc etc.
4)Naxalism in states like Orissa, Bihar, Andra Pradesh, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand are at its peak with support coming from training camps in maoist Nepal.
5) Insurgency in the North-Eastern states continues unabated.
6) Ranked at number 115 out of the odd 155 countries in terms of over all corruption.Extremely biased media especially concerning ground realities in Kashmir/North-east.
7) Gross Human rights violations against civilians especially in the Indian Occupied Kashmir/North-East (Source: OHCHR, HRW, Amnesty International)
Brutal police services driven with a communal bent of mind leading to staged encounter killings of innocent people (best example encounter specialist of Modi).
9) A country where parties like BJP are elected to power on the basis of Casteism and Muslim Bashing.
Brother mano, its true that your country is developing but the world has seen development from Greenland to the South-pole. A country like Malaysia which got its independence years after India will be declared a developed Nation by 2010.Look at Libya/Kuwait/Brunei/Tunisia and most of them are not even democracies. So, what are you boasting about. Even Antarctica has a modern telephone exchange and electricity.
We Kashmiris know you are a trillion dollar economy but of what use is that money to us when we will be facing all the above problems if we make an ominous error and decide to be a part of India.
Which sane individual would knowingly step into a catastrophe and be a part of a huge British created problem i.e. India.
Facts are that if you leave Jammu & Kashmir, India will be a richer nation with so much less to spend on its Military expenses and therefore will be able to tackle all its other domestic problems in a holistic manner.
AND Before you start bashing Muslims for everything, remember CHINA/Srilanka/BURMA/Nepal are not Muslim countries and yet still treat you with animosity.
SO DREAM ON BROTHER......ITS GOOD TO DREAM BUT TRUST ME, WE KASHMIRIS STOPPED DREAMING IN 1953 WHEN YOUR DUBIOUS GOVERNMENT DISSOLVED OUR PARLIAMENT AND ARRESTED OUR democratically elected PRIME MINISTER.
@ Chinaar,
ReplyDeleteJust read the link. Thats great really!. Thumbs up to that. China is a strong country with strong people. khud dar people i must say.
Chinese have always been our (Pakistan's) best friends.
after reading your other posts i remembered when when i was in school,grade 7th, a lady visiting from sri lanka came to our class to give a lecture about their country. On being asked who is their enemy they said its India. and then our teacher told us that India is not only hostile with us, its the same situation with all of its neighbors.
chinar
ReplyDeleteIn the most important evolutionary step we took as humans,is to make the one important jump, to evolve as humans,from the Apes,it beats me,just how you happened to miss the bus completely,nature has the wonderful ability to throw up wonders,its amazing what triggered you into bouts of verbal diarrhea,splashed in abundant quantity,which is available to be goggled.
I get it, in your present condition, it's not easy being a genius,let alone the ability to control basic neuromotor skills. So, if you don't mind, I have a request. Given that it would certainly not tax you professionally, because it's all so simple and obvious, do you think that you could contribute something on the subject and subject matter, that demonstrates your immense base of knowledge which helps other biologists for a start.
In the meantime as you evolve,the Kashmir issue can be put in the back-burner,as usual,you can just protect your space atop the Chinar trees of India and not loose it the nearby clan.
before i say adios...i suggest.
Work on your capacity to talk with other people without being a complete, utter cock. We've already adjusted our expectations, with you being a blogger and all, we realize you're constitutionally straightforward. But there's a difference between being straightforward and being a duffer. Your profession and your history as "the smartest guy in the room" doesn't excuse you from displaying basic courtesy.
ADIOS...ROFL.
Agreed I am not even a single percent as evolved as the GREAT INDIAN MANU whose many relatives still drink cow piss.
ReplyDeleteHowever, on the subject of neuromotor skills, I believe you are using your limbic system a bit too much and this surely is because the depth of the sulcii with respect to your Gyrii is minimal.
Need I say more Mano.....I happen to be a CURIOUS GEORGE OF THE JUNGLE.
FACTS ARE FACTS and this is the other side of the coin, All you need to do is turn the coin around....doesn't take much intellect......OR DOES IT????
RMAONTF (ROLLING MY ASS OFF ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING)
chinar
ReplyDeletewhat a hash of a post,the things we have to put up in a democracy by fellow Indians must be seen to be believed.
Whats your specialty,lapping up Dromedary dew,simians are resourceful,once the cage doors are open.
Ah!! now you ventured into GRAY'S ANATOMY...i think in your state of evolution,the brain is a subject you should not be monkeying around with,its a specific issue...i think you meant to say gyri, and definitely not gyrii,as humans don't have such a thing.
Facts will be facts,the side of the coin does not matter,sure it does not take much intellect, but in your case, your trainer will have to vouch for that,it all depends on which side of the line he is...if he is from across the border lines,your intellect will be on judgment,as you may not be in line of control over whatever is left of your mental abilities....
RMAONTF (ROLLING MY ASS OFF ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING)
Amazing only you would be able to carry off such impossible feats with dexterity.
Say Adios...to Kashmir.
(By the way,how are the Kiwis faring in the cricket match against Pakistan??? :-),I am looking for a sarial reply.
@MANO,
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA
"simians are resourceful,once the cage doors are open."
We will dwell among the Chinaar tree tops and hold onto our bastion, however we have done well enough to be worshipped by you n your likes.....
JAI HANUMAN GYAN GUNSAGAR, JAI....BLAH BLAH BLAh.....Keep worshippin us primates buddy, you will definitely learn and evolve.
RMAONTF.....It sure requires a certain degree of tier-3 intellect to do this. The first thing you will have to do is stop drinking cow piss and then maybe Hanuman(PRIMATE) might bless you with a thing or two.
Meanwhile CHINA has started issuing Visas on separate papers for us non-Indians (KASHMIRIS). Wonder what Farooq Abdullah/Omar Abdullah would do if they wanna travel to China.....guess they will use their British passports!!!!!!Even your die hard representatives in Kashmir have sworn alliance to some other nation.
ADIOS MANU and keep up with the occupation, it keeps the fuel of desire burning inside us
"Machamin Gusse naav dak deth paknaav"
chinar
ReplyDeleteIf selective quoting,and my posts sound like worship to you,it suits me fine,if sheer retardation had a yard stick,i am happy for you,that you are the benchmark.for a person who is hoping to be worshiped,while deducing,with my replies given to you,I am happy to see you aloft the chinar trees,sure high above with oxygen depletion,you have wonderful aptitude for comprehension.....we are firmly rooted in the Terra Firma in the Indian state of Kashmir,No quarter will be asked for,no quarter will be given.
No body plays by your rules,nation states don't work that way...yeah,yeah we know the soviet union,Europe etc,but that's plain wishful thinking,and conjecture,lets give history a go by,its something that happened in a different era,time and space.you may look like the Pakistanis,dress like them,they can be your brothers in arms,you can raise their their flag,you can do any thing to show solidarity,but the Mr.Radcliffe has drawn the line,the Indian soldier,has his job,and pay from Delhi,he will defend,even if the world goes up in smoke,every inch of land,on this side of the LOC,is his sole bread,butter and life and religion,he will do his job.and not budge an breath...that's how the cookie crumbles,you are welcome to do anything to shift the equilibrium,you tried and tried and tried for the last 62 years..status quo ante is what your dealing with,with abundant pleas,letters,addresses to world leaders,oic,moral support etc,etc..but if you are happy on the chinar tress,i am happy for you.yo can have a abode there and rule it,no problems.this is how i perceive it.have a great time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=EufGFcmM5y0#t=97
Well it great to know you require tier-3 intellect,for rolling your arse on the floor,that give a great insight into your thinking,just check,if Alzheimer syndrome is raising its head,or do you have polio on both legs,bot can help in rolling your arse all over the floor,not tier-3 intellect,unless you are a server.
YES china is giving you visas separately,i would not care in they stamped it on your forehead...
Adios to you,you are just a lost case,I SUGGEST FIRST YOU GET A LIFE,JUST FORGET KASHMIR,I AM NOT GIVING IT KING LOUIE CHINAR.FOR SURE.
Mr Mano..first of all are you a girl or a guy? as mano is 'billi' ...'cat'
ReplyDeletenot billa!
anyway, yes we lost to the kiwis. it doesnt matter :-), we still love our team, very much. not like you guys who humiliated their own team publicly after they lost to us Pakistanis.
but off course its coz you lost to us....thats like losing the whole series, 'aur naak katwa de apnay mulk hindustan ke'. i say kill your team !! kill them! :-D
Mr Mano..first of all are you a girl or a guy? as mano is 'billi' ...'cat'
ReplyDeletenot billa!
MR Patriot...its not clear to me how identification of sex is determined in Pakistan...Usually the honorific "Mister" MR for short,should have settled the issue universally,i am not sure on your billi,billa confusion,i can help you,if you do not know what a male cat is called in English,its known as TOM CAT....I think that should put to rest any confusion you have on hand.
However Pakistan lost to the kiwis on Oct 4th,its an old subject by now,plz do love your cricket team,that's you personal preference,We follow cricket passionately,but personally i prefer Sania mirza,unfortunatly the fans can only publicly "humiliate"the team,fans don't have the option to meet them personally,to humiliate them,i am not sure what was the public humiliation you saw,that we missed out...the last i herd was people claiming Younis Khan dropped the catch,by taking money,here is the ICC link.and Younis Khan publicly reacted to that,I don't think we took our defeat to Pakistan like that....did we.
As far as killing the Indian cricket team,for losing to Pakistan,I will like to remind you,plz consider your home situation for the last 1 month,before suggesting us the practice of killing people,We did see Qasb and his team from Pakistan,make a triple century on innocent public in Taj hotel,the poor travelers in church-gate station and people of international nationalities,and how to forget the poor SRI Lankan team,Mahila Jayawardene loves the Ghadhaffi :-) stadium.....this is a sarial enough answer for you i guess from the Indian side.
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/10/05/ICC_studying_Pakistans_defeat_in_Champions_Trophy_semifinal/
I managed to saro-fy you AGAIN. LOL.
ReplyDeletelove it.
btw i didnt mean any disrespect to your name.
but is mano a Hindu name?. or is it short for Hanumaan?
seriously in Pakistan a mano is a billi.
and why is dhoni a dhoni?..
and abt me liking my cricket team, i guess it never hit you that i just might be a girl.
LOL.
I managed to saro-fy you AGAIN. LOL.
ReplyDeletelove it.
Good for you, Now i know what does saro-fy me AGAIN,mean in Pakistan,you meant to say you did it the second time on me....and love it.... AH!!!Now it struck me you are indeed a girl from Pakistan...
btw i didnt mean any disrespect to your name.
Thats not at all problem...you have already done enough service,thank you, which is way beyond disrespecting my name.
but is mano a Hindu name?. or is it short for Hanumaan?
seriously in Pakistan a mano is a billi.
Take an educated guess,you simply dazzle me with your ability,no its not a short form for Hanuman, using elementary common sense one would deduce HANU,can be a short form for Hanuman.AM i taxing your grey cells too much for you to comprehend...you can always ask me to stop,i will withdraw immediately.
and why is dhoni a dhoni?..
You tell me,maybe you know Dhonis bat is bigger than Mohamed Yonus bat.
and abt me liking my cricket team, i guess it never hit you that i just might be a girl.
LOL.
Yes it sure did hit me after you saro-fyed me the second time,its your claim,not mine,remember you said you love them too.
LOL,even i find your abilities funny.
I said it before and i'll say it again, trust an Indian to give sarial answers. sarial and cheap.
ReplyDeleteand trust you guys to ghumao phirao your talk!
if you respected your name or dhoni's name you would have given a clear answer.
you know i have known a lot of people from different countries and no one trusts Indians. Advising everyone to stay away from the Indians..
Why is it that you guys are jealous of everyone and everything?
why cant you guys just live and let others live too.. why do you guys have to kill innocent Kasmiris just cause they want a separate nation? all of this bloodshed just for a piece of land? you are not gonna live forever so why fight for something which is not clearly yours and is causing much pain and misery to people??. but off course you guys say you are born again and again, you would want the land for that.
i think you are an old lady who has got nothing to do except sit on her laptop and comment on Pakistani blogs. or you are funded by the Indian Intelligence agencies to keep an eye on the Pakistani blogs.
or maybe you are a typical Hindu who just cant stand the existence of Pakistan...
In any case you are an Indian and you cant do anything about it, you will always be an Indian , so learn to live with the stigma :-)
*Indian*
LOL
Miss patriot,
ReplyDeleteIs it supposed to mean anything to me you repeating yourself again and again,do you think,repeating some absurdity a hundred times will make it true...strange mindset... yeah
by the way what is sarial...is it something you don't understand when your psychiatrist is explaining your condition to you...i am not even sure how my answers look sarial to you,what ever that maybe,cheap is OK,coming from you,i have no worry about that,i can tick you off safely.
How in name of god,am i to know you know a lot of people from other countries...what am i supposed to understand from this,i should feel sorry for all the people from other countries,on whom the such a calamity has befallen on them,knowing you....is it co-incidence or your imagination running riot,that all of them said don't trust Indians, and further advising others don't trust Indians.... was it in jamat-ul-dawa reorientation meeting you herd this....i did not know foreigners are going about saying don't trust Indians,and stay away from them...now i am not even sure,whats your idea of knowing lots of people from different countries.
I can talk for myself,i don't know about others,it will be a joke if i am jealous of everyone,and everything.
WE are doing our best to live and let live,just ask Qasab to stay at home in Pakistan,and not visit our precious The Taj hotel,from Pakistan,visiting us in a rubber dinghy,when there is airport to come in legally,yeah sure live and let others live,i saw the TV,some terrorist has killed 26 people in Lahore today..tch,tch,tch,just talk to your foreigner friends again.....Ah Kashmir and all the bloodshed for a piece of land,whose piece of land you talking about,WITH 2 MILLION internally displaced persons from FATA AND SWAT,By Pakistani army,action,Kashmir is still a paradise.you can ask your army such questions,ask bug-ti's son.
AS far as i being a old lady and blah,blah,whom am i,to comment on your brilliant acumen,enough said about that,by the way if possible, give my disappointment to Yonus Khan,he had to resign for nothing.
I am an proud Indian,ask Kerry-Luger,i have no stigma,but you can see it i suppose,that's becoz you are trained to do so.
ADIOS...
on whom the such a calamity has befallen on them,
ReplyDeletecorrection read as....on whom such a calamity has befallen on them of knowing you.
Mr. Mano..
ReplyDeleteSarial means a person who thinks negatively of everything and everyone around him...which is you..and which makes us sure that you are an old person who has got nothing to do except crib.just read your posts again and you will realize what i mean..
I dont have to explain what i mean by knowing a lot of people the world over,... What would you know, with your close minded thinking, it seems you have never met a non Indian....
.....Ah Kashmir and all the bloodshed for a piece of land,whose piece of land you talking about,WITH 2 MILLION internally displaced persons from FATA AND SWAT,By Pakistani army,action,Kashmir is still a paradise.you can ask your army such questions,ask bug-ti's son.
Mr. Mano... you are not sane...not sane at all...please if you are old, stay away from the laptop..just sit home and play with your grand children, you will feel happy. you know what being happy is?, you wouldnt ...ur like the grinch..
even though its you Indians who are creating havoc in our northern area and Afghanistan, helping the talibans to fight against us,..trying to destabilise our country...
i still pray for you so that you see the right path. Ameen.
you know the truth too. you are just selling your soul for the money..money that u get by the Indian intelligence agencies..
i guess there is no concept of Halaal and Harram in your religion.
miss patriot,
ReplyDeleteNow you are getting better and better,you gone and updated Webster and the Oxford dictionary,into some weird word called sarial...which would mean a person thinks negatively of every thing and every one around him....
Whats with you,i am sure you made it up,there is no such word in the English language,may be its pessimistic person is what you wanted to call me...right,the best i can come up with is Panaphobia,but i am sure you would not know the meaning.......i don't take posts so seriously,coz i know what i write,and the reaction i get...
You don't have to explain how you know,i only said how would i know,which is acceptable thing on a comment column,Ah my grand children,oh there is a lot of biology and chemistry that needs to gone through,to reach that stage....and right now for us,chemistry is more imp,and sitting on a lap top cannot be dispensed off..really....and from where i come,we don't stress on nationality,it raciest they say...ah if i am not sane,you mean to say i am insane....and how would that be,actually its imp i hear about insanity from you,its will be really unique,experience.
Yeah are we creating havoc in your northern area,and Afghanistan,how...you mean we fly to Tehran,and from Tehran to Kabul unoticed,That is a logistical nightmare,or do you by mistake allow us to go to Afghanistan via Wagh,Atari border....check with your Pakistani DGMO.
Why on earth Pakistan needs to be destabilized,everyone is waiting for normalcy,we in India are tired of seeing,the daily bombings,we wish Pakistan well.
Oh...Great if i am Grinch the grouch,i will feed you as Max :-).....i would have still liked to be Jim Carey..though.
Righto,you keep praying,i am in the right path all right....How would one sell his soul,as if it has a intrinsic value,and that too for money...NAAA...You are very confused....What do you think the Indian intelligence agency is,Fort Knox,the only intelligence i can give is a link to this page,if i ask money,for the remarks on this website,they will die laughing,and probably lock me up for good.
Religion is personal,so no discussion on this Halal,Harram or this comparative aspect of religion does not arise at all...the one common factor is,there are ample thugs and rogues in all religions,without exception...In as much as there are good people.....STATUS QUO ANTE.
ADIOS....
O bhai, Sarial is an Urdu word...Urdu which you call Hindi in India.. yeah that..
ReplyDeleteNow i think you are not an Indian but an Israel/America born to Indian parents...:-)
as you know zero Urdu/Hindi.
and no i dont think you guys fly to tehran and then to kabul, i am sure you guys are shot from cannons from Delhi to Kabul.
Its your embassay in Kabul which, with the help of raw, is funding the militants.
.......i don't take posts so seriously,coz i know what i write,and the reaction i get...
No Mr. Mano you dont know what you write.. coz ur delusional. and you talk and talk assuming that the world is listening to you.
Thats why i say, carry on, if that makes you happy :-)
Missy Patriot,
ReplyDeleteArrey Bhai i did not know you are into disambiguation....Urdu is called Hindi in India,let me tell you one thing,you would have never been a class topper if you are jack of all trades,but master of non....i fortunately got the grades where ever i went,no sweat...let me educate a little.
Standard Hindi and standard Urdu are considered by linguists to be different formal registers both derived from the Khari Boli dialect: Hindi being Sanskritised and Urdu being additionally Persianised (written with different writing systems, Devanagari and Perso-Arabic script, respectively...So out goes your direct Urdu, Hindi theory into digital recycle bin.
Ah now you are into the genetic tree of Indians,you think i am Israeli/American born to Indian parents,i wont shift the goal post,lets score one.
Ghori and his havaldhars,as did Aurangzeb,and the slave kings,Qutab-ud-din aibak,ALL bought their legion of foot soldiers OR sulla havaldhars for their conquest,but most Hindus in the course of Muslim rape and pillage,left a legion of Hindu women,who began to convert to Islam,and then from Hindustani muslims to Pakistanis some sixty years back,not every Pakistani was born from the the concubines of the mogul kings,plz give due credit to the hordes of sulla havaldhars and foot soldiers,letz not margenalize their efforts.....shall we get into the permutation and combination's,of how you could have been born,you can never be sure.....sit and work that out, i have not the least idea,may be when i go back to college,i will do a little research,and come out with a algorithm.
Yep we shooting guyz from delhi to khandhar sorry kabul,try out your ghori,abdali missilies,see if it strikes at something,for a change,i hope you read the N.Korean to Urdu translation of missile manuals correctly,coz you do write/read things the other way round,from the backside to put it in perspective.the north Koreans write from top to bottom...you see the problem there.
AH THE FINAL BLOOPER....i am writing,only you don't know how to read and understand,that's perfectly normal,becoz you are assuming,that i am assuming,the world is is listening to what i write and write...Just visit the doc in a cell,to see if your eyes and ears are in the correct place...Wow weird....what variety genetic mutation produces...staggering
adios....
miss patriot,
ReplyDeleteIts not your problem really pointing fingers at any religion,in every religion you get the good,bad and the ugly,humans are born as homo-sapiens ,you dub yourself into a Hindu,Muslim,Jew or Christian as the human species evolved across the globe,when it became imperative to know right from wrong,and bring some social order and system to its life,depending and evolving in accordance with the local environment...but the bad and ugly in various forms also evolved along,to counter balance the good,and bring about variety..its all evolutionary process...some became hyper religious,hyper patriotic,any human factor when it crosses the line of reasonableness,and gets to the hyper region,it spells trouble to the environment around it.
if you cannot keep your link to god within your confines,be it any religion,you tend be morally weak,and by human nature,he looks to form groups clans,class etc,this is auto human response,numbers give strength,and improves his chance of escaping,if detected,in case if he is isolated....look at the Army,the army general does not killed for wrong strategy,the solders do,the wrong policy of many Government,the people suffer,not the head of the state,leadership and decision making is inbuilt in man,and the ability to control humankind is natural instinct,if its good the things work,if its bad,all others have to suffer too,you cannot test market,human facets and natural instincts,IT COMES WITH A PRICE....some people have it,many don't,we aspire for it anyway as individuals,and clashes occur many times across the globe,one system does not work for all,people with sagacity and farsightedness,have the special quality,and know the art of timing their rules,and know when to stop or start.
The rest of your diatribe is regular junk and garbage,and will lead into a chain reaction of charges and counter charges,that's not my way...I am not interested on how or what you feel ...you got paid for the unpleasant way you went about describing my entity, i came in a few days back,enjoyed what i did,said what i had to say,i just did not get intimidated,and stood my neutral ground,and going out in the same happy mode from the day i came in,,in a day or two i am back to my base....getting flustered and dictating terms,on assumptions and preconceived superiority of religion,nationality,race and human values and casting innuendos is the first sign of a weak person,i can spin them around.
i cannot make chinar sick,i know his problem,maybe he understood i did nothing wrong,and i am not the right person for him to hold a grudge against.
Contrary to what you say,i got a class room full of girls and boys from across the globe,including a Pakistani girl,who i also hang around with,meaning WE talk in a big group in the COLLEGE EATERY,without reservations,and we simply don't discuss unpleasant,raciest,religious or the merits and demerits of being a nationality from any country,there are a zillion things to talk and study about.i don't bring myself to dislike you,in case you do,plz deal with it,till sanity prevails.
WITH BEST OF THE ADIOS TOO.
Mr.Sharan Mano,
ReplyDeleteare you studying sociology?
instead of answering me straight, you again twist your words, bravo Mr Sharan Mano, this is after all what you are good at..sigh...
by human nature,he looks to form groups clans,class etc,this is auto human response,numbers give strength,and improves his chance of escaping,if detected,in case if he is isolated,if its good the things work,if its bad,all others have to suffer too,you cannot test market,human facets and natural instincts.
oh you definitely are studying sociology.. :-)..and it seems like your favourite subject too...
The rest of your diatribe is regular junk and garbage,and will lead into a chain reaction of charges and counter charges,that's not my way..
Oh please dont give me that. please read ur posts, thats all that you have been doing all along..charges and counter charges...you even mistook the innocent of questions and became very defensive...
.I am not interested on how or what you feel ...you got paid for the unpleasant way you went about describing my entity, i just did not get intimidated,and stood my neutral ground,
Mr Sharan Mano...you are not neutral, you are not.. and..dont you remember the unpleasant way in which you described my entity..all i did was say that you were born to indian parents but born in America or Israel, there is nothing wrong with that really.
Mr Mano sharan..you really need to work on yourself, or you will suffer badly in practical life..there is no harm in taking advice from someone.
getting flustered and dictating terms,on assumptions and preconceived superiority of religion,
O bhai, my perception of my religion being superior is not preconcieved...i will always say that i am blessed to be a born Muslim Alhumdulilah..:-).strong words for you i am sure..i just didnt get the opprotunity this time to stand on Speaker's Corner on marble arch :-)..next time i do, i shall invite you to counter me all you want.
i cannot make chinar sick,i know his problem,maybe he understood i did nothing wrong.
Mr. Sharan Mano.. you made the guy crazy with your talk, you couldnt even symathise with him,his heart was crying for his uncle who was shot by the Indian army...how humane is that?
Its always better to admit your mistake and apologize to a person whom you have hurt, you will die a happy man :-)
you need to work on that too..
Contrary to what you say,i got a class room full of girls and boys from across the globe,including a Pakistani girl,who i also hang around with,meaning WE talk in a big group in the COLLEGE EATERY,without reservations,and we simply don't discuss unpleasant,raciest,religious or the merits and demerits of being a nationality from any country,there are a zillion things to talk and study about.i don't bring myself to dislike you,in case you do,plz deal with it,till sanity prevails.
do you teach these poor students?, the way you talk it seems like ur the demonic teacher, or are you studying... they say that’s the best time of life, i really dont agree with it, and i wont explain why, but besides that ur studying, when everything is rosy and romantic..ah college days..
ReplyDeleteoh i must say here, you are pretty well read for a college student. Bravo. but you are also very rude and do not know how to talk with a girl. I guess maturity comes with age :-)
I only hope you can use your mind towards more peaceful purposes.try.i am sure you can make a difference.you will die a happy man :-)
As for me ..i work..in an organization where i get to travel around the globe.. meeting people from different nationalities..where my colleagues are not only Pakistanis but also americans , canadians, europeans, australians, asians including Indians...this is how i know the perception of Indians..
i actually like hanging out with the Indians myself. and yes we dont discuss politics or religion, at work we work too, just like you dont do it there in college but you are very active in the blgosphere...God knows for what reason... if you say you have better things to do then why spend time on a blog fighting with a Kashmiri?
come on, you have some issues too..
otherwise why waste your time on a blog when you have more important things in life to take care of??.. like studying at this point of time..
You will have a totally different mindset in a couple of years time after you have worked for a while after college..when you actually go out in the real world and meet people from different backgrounds. You really have a lot of catching up to do...:-)
life is not only about sitting in college cafeteria and talking about a gizillion useless things.
i guess you are too busy with permutations and combinations..;-)
miss patriot,
ReplyDeleteNo i am not studying sociology,besides sociology is not a subject,that is taught in u.s universities as subject to pursue academics,maybe you meant psychology.
i am not doing my medicine either.
answering straight, I can answer it only in a way i perceive what i feel is right,answers cannot be twisted,the logic of my answer may appear twisted to you,that's a perception you have to deal with.
SHARAN MANO i stand corrected,i should have logged in from a account i created,i answered from a account which my cousin had already logged in,hence the name Sharan,I realized that after i posted and saw the name Sharan...what i wrote is just common knowledge,most people can understand,human knowledge,maybe its sociology to you,but to claim i love it,sounds far fetched,and to conjure up i am definitely studying it...what can i say,its up to you,to believe what you write,and think...no problem with that.
"Oh please don't give me that. please read ur posts, that's all that you have been doing all along..charges and counter charges"
Here starts the chain of counter charges,so i am letting it go by.
All what you said was this...your quote "Now i think you are not an Indian but an Israel/America born to Indian parents...:-)"unquote.
MY reply was based on the above quote,and your reply to my answer is what you meant,was your innocent quote "all i did was say that you were born to Indian parents but born in America or Israel, there is nothing wrong with that really."
Can you spot the difference yourself,of what you wrote,and what you claimed you wrote.
Besides what i quoted were historical facts,any history book will tell you about the repeated rape and plunder of Hindustan by mogul invaders,and the consequence of the rape is there for all to see,i cannot invent these things,from thin air,What choice do the raped women of Hindustan have,to have gone through the horrors of mass repeated rape of an invading army,and when looted,murdered and plundered,with impunity..there was no Human rights violation bodies,Geneva convention
,Amnesty international at that time,To fight for the cause of the raped women,and the burden they were carrying,not out of choice,but as a consequence of war.
we have to go by what is chronicled by history,Where do you think,the children born of such rape went,and the horrors the Hindus had to go through by the now famous Pakistani quote of ruling Hindus for a thousand years,when they were not even moguls,but a consequence of mogul rule,the Jizya,the rape,the plunder,you want to only talk of the Glorious rule,oh i wonder how Pakistanis claim that it was glorious rule,and forget about the consequences of the raped women,and the children born to rape,very easy to now talk of volunteer conversion,conversion out of compassion etc,etc,we have to account for the rape of Hindu women,and the horrors cannot be brushed under the carpet conveniently,to suit your arguments,and it is not rocket science to know who they are.
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ITS good you work for such an organization in Pakistan...and meeting all those people including Indians,and that's where you got to know the perception of Indians,good you should also keep in mind,the Indian is also getting to know the perception of you as Pakistanis,perception cuts both ways.
ReplyDeleteIn what blog sphere am i active,I found Ahmed Qureshi blog,and some posts and views were left undefended,which i took up,the internet does not belong to any nation,it an open ended entity,anyone can refute anything,they chose to do so.I had the time in India during my stay here,besides i don't have to give a reason for what i am doing,its obvious.i don't intend to be studying in holidays,We are already tied up in a assignment based study system,with time duration,and pretty taxing.defending wrong misconceptions is no waste of time.i said what i had to say,and very happy about it.
I take life as it comes,and will cross the bridge when i reach there.we all have chatching up to do in our span of life,thats what life is all about....at present life offers us a choice to be in the college cafeteria...we do talk about many things,they are neither gazillion or useless,your exposure does has not taught you much,we are in one of the worlds most competitive unversities,its a place which will filter you out ruthlessly,if you cannot match their exacting system,consistently,correctly with innovation,and you have to compete with your peers and your own self constantly,only people who enjoy this can survive there,and we have a class-full from all across the globe,who will chew you up,if you don't know what you are doing....but we do find ways to to have the best of fun in our learning,you gotta be innovative to do that,and you have to be mentally and physically upto it,that is what is expected out of us,and that is what we do.....dont think permutations and combination's or algorithms are a joke,life and universe is based on that....i have a sense of right and wrong,religion and ethics,which i guard within my self,and a duty to the system we live in and refine it suit human and the global environment...i am not comfortable in the environment of hate,violence,human and environmental misery,the past which i cannot change,forming opinions of others without adequate proof,conflict zones,i intend to change if i can,but don't prefer it.....hubba,hubba,hubba,i am finished...take your best shot..adios...and to Chinaar also,I empathize with him,he did mention his 72 year old person getting shot,i did say i did not enjoy the situation,nor am i happy with what he has to undergo...and i wished him well....,let me put this comment of yours into perspective,however i am no demonic teacher,and my Buddie students in my class are no newbies,i cannot get away influencing the wrong things,they are all very competitive people with a sharp brain ticking inside,if i do something as to be a teacher,they will show me up as a person with a sharp mouth which is not indicative of person with a shrewd mind....mind over matter is very imp for us.
adios again.
Mano,
ReplyDeletenow i understand your first post..
: America better give us the undivided attention India expects,it has to come as a right...
its coz ur studying in the US...hence the affection and loyalty to the US..i suppose..
is that a typical minset of an ordinary Indian? now dont bring forth the kerry lugar bill and our president asking for money from the US..coz i dont agree with that either..what i am saying here is why do the Indians think of the US as their almighty?. why do you need their ashirwad?. an approving nod from the americans makes you fly doesnt it? what crap, where is your self respect?. you really need to realize that the US is upto no good in our region, the details of which you know well.
Honestly what i meant to write was that your are a guy born in america or israel ..but born to Indian parents...hope it makes sense..never mind..
i as a person dont go much into history,sure its good to know the causes of the problems of today, but like you said we cant live in the past, if we want to have some hope for the future...
You said you are not comfortable in an enviornment of hate,violence,human and environmental misery, i find that a conflicting statement..if your such a peace lover, why do you keep on pointing fingers?...
honestly in college we always feel that we are the smartest thing and we know all that is to know :-), i dont blame you, it happens to most of us...
and yes you really dont have to defend yourself on each and everything i say, do you see me defending myself on every point?. you will learn this too in time.
Hope you can use ur mind for better and peaceful purposes...
miss Patriot,
ReplyDeleteMy passport bears my true allegiance,I believe that,what loyalty can i give to USA,In my case it was different,just like any prospective student,i and my friend,applied to the three best colleges for computer engineering,and all our lives we spent in the hostel of a school at Simla,Both of us got into all the three colleges we applied,my friend chose M.I.T,and i chose a different college,becoz i got a waiver as a scholarship in the college fees and invited me,WE had not even made great preparations,my people were keen i do my iit in India itself...that's the only entrance exam i put some effort,my people were not interested in the scholarship also,So with utter confusion,my friends told me to tag along,and i lived with them all my school life.....i don't need any any respect from the Americans,i very much joined on my terms,and they want me....OK all these issues apart,why do we think the Americans are almighty,simply they are is a fact, the world considers them so,its not an India specific thing...What are Americans doing in Daharan,Kuwait and almost every Muslim country you can think of in the middle east, has given them a base,including Pakistan.....have we Indians given them any bases...did we sign the NON-Proliferation treaty as America insisted,DID not Henry Kissinger call Indra Gandhi a tough bitch to Richard Nixon and was difficult to negotiate with her,and publicly apologized on CNN,when the papers were declassified a few years back,yesterday we held up a American plane in Mumbai,which had American troops in it flying from middle east to Thailand,and was told to land in Mumbai,and were warned to not take things for granted,this is the second time,earlier there was a chartered Russian il76 plane,ferrying allied troops,and was forced to land,and the American embassy had to sort out the issue,if it comes to self respect,plz change your opinion,if American says stand up,you run,bad as it may sound that is a fact....this India-Pakistan,Hindu-Muslim slug fest has been going on for ages,everything that has to be said has been told a thousand times over,and over and over and over again....YEP its like school kids,claiming my father thingy is much bigger than your fathers thingy.....there is nothing new you or i can add which has not been said before...whats new,some rabid dolts have opened web pages,and carry on analysis,and build a follow-ship and have decided to use the reach of the internet,a few unwavering patriotic speech,mixed with the grace of god and religion,and grasp of the language,and understanding of history,And people follow them,like the Pied Piper of Hamlin.Their music sounds enchanting to your ears...that's a price middle class people of Asia has to pay in developing countries,they are swayed easily,and can never question,and cannot distinguish between a Analyst and and stand up comedy actor...media exposure makes even buffoons into stars.....Begum nawazish ali is also a media star,like these guys....i hope you use your mind also.
Mr Mano,
ReplyDeletei guess you have to visit the US or interact with the americans to know them and to realize its not that great a place as its thought to be, the people arnt as great as they are thought to be...i am not a big fan.
begum nawazish ali is a bad influence, not someone i am proud of. i am surprised people know him in India too.
you are pretty well read for a college student though.
as for the rest of the things you said, i cannot agree with you more.
a couple of good pakistani blogs for you:
www.teeth.com.pk/blog
(yes by a worried dentist)
www.pakistaniat.com
i am sure you already read dawn, the best newspaper of Pakistan.
www.dawn.com
to miss Patriot,
ReplyDeleteok...i leave on Wednesday,this is probably the last of my posts,best of luck for Chinaar also,he had strong feelings,and i found him interesting to talk to after filtering his bad-words,nothing won,nothing lost,yep college students are clever,and well read,why would that surprise you,there are plenty of students at Stanford,are amazing beyond belief,we cannot survive in Stanford,if we are not up to it...i have a 10 hrs flight to catch up, first to London in transit...and then onto the US OF A,and my room,and friends....and life goes on....i am in the US to study.I did not answer to aq post,nothing new there,,,,,its going to be, my shit is better than your shit,besides he is a professional newscaster,who has developed his links over the years,that's not what i was bothered about,i have read what he wrote by many Pakistanis and Indians,it was not mentally challenging,and boring to go through this stupid wasteful hate talk,we are not good at anything else,except accusing each other,and making fun of each others miss fortunes,there are 100's more to take up this bashing each other talk..the day he posted a picture of unknown college girls as prostitutes,they could be Hindu,Muslim,anything,under the sun or whatever,just becoz he got hold that photo,and dubbed them prostitutes made me sick of that guy,the girls have a future,and if a guy whom she marries sees it,i just feel bad to the depth you can hate people,i don't even know who the girls are as a Indian,much less AQ or you,but there are somethings i would never do, and its a cowardly act to do such things,and he was very proud of this subject, he is zilch,finito......Adios Sayanora,namaste,khudha-afiz and bye,to each his own.
Mr. Mano
ReplyDeleteand i liked picking on you :-D.
LOL.
your ideas and philosophy is much fun and interesting to read.
under grads arnt that smart, post grad is a different thing, they come with experience.
i hate the long flights to the US.
hope one day peace prevails. Ameen.
take care.
adios.
AQ!!, will you just go around deleting my comments? :-)
ReplyDeletedont you have anything better to do? you are a bad influence on us all..
you are nothing but a weak scaredy cat.
To date you have delete 3 of my posts..since 18th of October
all coz i questioned you..
Mano, where are you?, i have plenty of stuff to saro-fy you with :-)
ReplyDeleteDont you have a life?. lol. or do you just study?
Chinaar, where are you? hope you are ok in Kashmir. you just vanished suddenly. Your own blog is not very active either.
I had become quite fond of you both.not that i like watching you fight..quite bored now.