BBC has released a video showing alleged Pakistani army cruelty against throat-slitters. Unfortunately, this video is being used to generate hatred among Pakistanis and stir ethnic conflict. Since the American occupation of Afghanistan, Pakistan and its military have been championing the rights of the Pashtun, who are proud Pakistanis and a majority in Afghanistan. The terrorists in the video are not Pashtun. They are not even Taliban. They are throat-slitters. Feel sorry for them? Let me show you videos of them butchering innocent Pashtuns and other Pakistanis.
By Asher Khan
Wednesday, 7 October 2009.
SWAT, Pakistan—In the latest attempt to baffle Pakistani nation, BBC has posted a story apparently showing Pakistan Army ‘abusing’ suspected Taliban associates caught in Swat. A video that had been posted on Facebook is produced as clinching evidence that the Pakistan Army is involved in human rights abuses in the region.
The footage shows an officer in Pakistani army battle uniform interrogating several suspects who had been arrested for firing on troops and sheltering known terrorists. When the suspects refuse to reveal information, they are beaten with belts, fists and what appear to be small whips. After an initial round of punishment, the officer tells a suspect that this is “soft treatment” and unless the suspect tells all, the officer says he will have to administer “hard punishment." At least one of the suspects being interrogated admits to having fired upon Pakistan Army soldiers in Pushto, while the officer can also be heard telling the soldiers to go easy with the beatings.
Physical abuse of prisoners during interrogation is extremely common in not only Pakistan’s police stations but worldwide, and this video, even if it's true, proves how mild the ‘punishment’ given out to these TTP-sympathizers was considering what these barbarians did to our captured, unarmed soldiers and innocent civilians. What has been termed as abuse is much benign if compared with the interrogation techniques employed by other armed forces of the world, not to mention Indian forces who keenly pluck nails out after severe torture just on the slightest suspicion, not charges against such criminals.
Lets rewind back to earlier this year when videos of TTP terrorists slitting throats of innocent civilians and Army soldiers were doing the rounds and had kept the nation completely terrified. Grilling terror suspects back then using whips and belts did indeed appear to be quite soft, as a form of punishment, compared to knives and AK-47s, which were the terrorists’ preferred tools.
There’s an important distinction to be made here. Pakistani Taliban, or the TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan) as they’re better known, are NOT related to the original Afghan Taliban. Mullah Omar, the Afghan Taliban leader has repeatedly distanced himself from TTP due to the latter’s insistence on attacking Pakistani Muslims, including Frontier Corps personnel, soldiers, mosques, bazaars, often slaughtering civilians without discrimination.
In the not so distant past, TTP’s had also famously blackmailed Kashmiri Mujahideen groups threatening to assassinate their leaders including the Jama’at-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed, unless they stopped fighting Indian forces in Kashmir and started attacking Pakistani targets instead. One wonders whose battle are these terrorists fighting? In June 2008, TTP was also responsible of massacring 28 members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba at a jirga in Mohmand agency, and holding over 90 Lashkar militants as hostages.
The TTP has led a violent campaign slaughtering innocent civilians and soldiers of Pakistan army, often filming and releasing gruesome videos of its leaders slitting throats of captured ‘prisoners’ in an attempt to demoralize the nation.
Here it is also important to keep in mind the backdrop of recent events. In the following video, TTP spokesperson Muslim Khan is openly announcing that those whose throats were slit deserved it: LINK
This is the news report of TTP Taliban killing 5 Tableeghi Jamaat activists while issuing warning to journalists. LINK
After the successful army operation against the TTP terrorists in Swat, local residents had expressed relief as normalcy returned. In some areas locals formed their own Lashkar’s to beat back TTP attempts to retake lost territory. Here’s an Al-Jazeera Report on these patriotic lashkars: LINK
In another 4 part series (the first two parts may not work, watch the last 2), which shows various military incidents, interviews with captured FC soldiers, and some ghastly ‘punishments’ by the TTP, which seems to be an integral part of their videos. LINK
Here is a video made by sky news TV on the terror of TTP where they are taking pride in training innocent civilians and pushing them on a trail that leads straight to death for themselves and above all massive destruction for their country and its image. LINK
Not only these, there are countless of such videos where a mockery was made out of our nation’s agony by these criminals of Islam and Pakistan.
This article was first published at the blog TTP Terrorists Are NOT Taliban
Torture is torture,you cannot make a distinction and grade them,and assign them points on a torture scale.Its all right for you to sit in your chair,and offer your opinions,based on photographs and analysis as per the inputs you get,its different for the man undergoing the abuse,torture is torture,there are wide implications as far as torture is concerned,claiming you have seen worse,or defining the level of torture undergone by individuals,is thoroughly insensitive thing to write about,you certainly cannot be sitting on judgment over such things,let alone offer your spin on the subject.
ReplyDelete@ Mano,
ReplyDeleteMy dear modern Nero,
Whats your take on the abuses by the Indian army on Kashmiris?????
@Mano,
ReplyDeleteAhem, Struck the wrong cord here....sorry Mano but love churning these thoughts out of your supremely intellectual sulcii/gyrii.....n if u still haven't noted why I add these extra's I's.....its just that the supremely evolved brains of your likes have to have an added connotation of an i i.e. Sulci Indian.
Don't equate Kashmir with Baluchistan.....For the umpteenth time Kashmir is a disputed territory.
Keep throwing your insatiable ignorance at Hanuman and u will end up with no Gyan Sagar.
JAI HANUMAN GYAN GUN SAGAR JAI KAPISH TUHI LOK UJAGAR and blah blah blah blah blah.
Let me not by pass your main question,the Indian army is there in Kashmir,to quell terrorists,the excesses by the armed forces is not to let them go Scott free,there is debate on t.v and the culprits are booked,it may not be 100% justice to you,the PM has called the Hurriyat,for talks.
ReplyDeleteMr,Gilani added riders to it,which no Indian will accept,Kashmir is a disturbed area,war is dirty business,Pakistan has not made it easier on India,you must be very naive to even think,the Pakistanis and the hardliners in the Hurriyat ,are really involved in a solution,its profitable to keep the pot boiling,the Hurriyat leaders have amassed huge wealth,by way of donations.
The Pakistani army needs power,without Kashmir,they don't have an enemy of the east namely Hindustan,that's a situation worse than war for them....
Then we have the confused and confounded you,hating yourself and other Indians,you raise the Pakistani flag,as if that's the mother of all defiance and A sign of valor,You celebrate pakistans independence day,and kasmir banega pakistan,etc etc,what do you expect,a cake walk...
You are not making it easy,by acts of terrorism,in as much face the fact,that no one in our India wishes to see Kashmirs,raped and killed...we don't distribute sweets if any Kashmiri gets killed,and don't go dancing in joy at the plight of Kashmirs...
Go to Muzzafrabad and see the monumental improvement in the people of Azad Kashmir.however you are not entitled to get tortured for your views,terrorism is a problem,defending our borders is a God given right,talk to Arundati Roy..
We did not kill her when she came in support of the Kashmirs rights,and human rights violation by Indian army,which prompted the govt to act.
@ Mano,
ReplyDeleteSeriously speakin, do u think we Kashmiris are mad people, I mean why do we run around with Pakistani flags in the centre of Lal Chowk in full view of your military fully knowing that they will shoot at us.
C'mon man, think....A mind that can make those beautiful silk and wool rugs/carpets which have a language of their own, those exquisite wood-carvings, that ethereal papier-mâché box, that intricate KHATAMBAND on your ceiling, those exotic SAMOVARS in copper or that delicate pashmina shawl with fabulous embroidery is surely HIGHLY EVOLVED AND INTELLIGENT. WHY THEN ARE THESE PEOPLE SO STUPID AND NOT SEE WHAT YOU (INDIA) ARE SHOWING THEM? What do you think needs to be done by you or the other Indians to change this attitude/belief in the majority of Kashmiris? What is this subconscious feeling that gives these people a ludicrous sentiment called “Aazadi” despite their numerous fallibilities when it comes to actually getting that “Aazadi”. Why is it that in Kashmir even a small child in an expensive private public school is more likely to support the Pakistan cricket team than the Indian team……..?? All these people know that Pakistan is nothing economically when it comes to India, but still they keep on cheering the Pakistan team!!!!! WHY?
I mean India has almost 300 million Muslims living inside it…………….WHY then do the Kashmiris have this crazy sentiment of supporting your enemy (Pakistan)? Surely it can’t be the Muslim sentiment as in that case they should be supporting India which has more Muslims?
Is singing the Indian National Anthem or performing the great Indian rope trick going to change the mindset of Kashmiris? Why it is then that even after being with India for 60 years, Kashmir still wants independence? Do you need to change their ideology by giving them an even stronger ideology or are these people (who over the ages have been Aryan Pagans, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and now Muslims) refractive to a better future? Or is it that “As these people are NOT listening to your ideology/viewpoint, then why not do what you have been doing for the last 60 years or so” i.e. with the help of your Indian army continue beating the shit outta them till these stupid peasants stop complaining and start following you (Just like what the upper castes in India do to the lower castes)??
Change is constant as life itself is dynamic……..the ones who adapt and change will be the ones who survive. KASHMIRIS HAVE SURVIVED A MILLENIA AS KASHMIRIS…………….chances are that they will survive this particular Indian onslaught too……or in other words you(India) may be surrounded by a few immoral greedy Kashmiri supporters and their bastards who make you feel that your current path is the right one but at the end of the day these supporters are nothing but greedy opportunistic individuals only interested in forwarding their own private causes at the expense of their honest, trustworthy and hard-working fellow Kashmiris.
A simple downtrodden individual in Kashmir/Jammu is not voting for you because he loves India and respects its constitution…..HE IS VOTING FOR YOU BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT THE POOR FELLA HAS NO OTHER OPTION AND HE NEEDS TO SURVIVE…….THE MOMENT HE GETS A BETTER OPTION, HE WILL LET YOU AND ALL THE OTHER INDIANS KNOW WHAT HE THINKS OF YOU, INDIA AND YOUR IDEOLOGY!!!!!!!!
GROW UP MANO, see the TRUTH!!!!!
Seriously you haven't clue,so you decided you will make a noise,skirt the issue,throw in some personal remarks which amounts to zilch,nada in terms of content,and hope you managed to accomplish something,however ridiculous that may be....that's as far as your sulci comment can go,in terms of making any sort of impression,on my supremely evolved brain.
ReplyDeleteI asked you whats your take on Baluchistan,under the topic of violation of human rights and torture and rape of people,and you gone ahead and assembled a group of vowels and consonants,to construct a sentence,whose ca notation even a madcap will not dare to accept,and reject it for all its worth,its wrong that there is collateral damage,and people get killed in indian kasmir,becoz it is disputed territory,but you imply the same raping and killing can be done in Baluchistan,which is not a disputed territory,and why is that it cannot be compared,is because one is disputed territory and the other is not ...brilliant,this is indeed the most obscurantist form of irrationality,that anyone can ever propound,its not only rabidly mad,its obscene.the next time you come to the computer see to it you leave your brain behind and come,don't tax it,even if you need a glass of water,God knows,what it is capable of,at the rate your comprehension ability goes.
Let me not reply about throwing my insatiable ignorance at Hanuman and whatever,It sounds stump stupid and silly,considering its coming from you,i am complimenting you,in case you missed the point,futility is not my cup of coffee,your cup of incredulity is really overflowing from the brim,you are welcome to wade in your fountain of knowledge,you really need to.
Adios bud gotta run off now,my squash partner Mariam is honking her hooter,rest assured,i will finish the rest at night
correction Mano, I am not a monkey but a Kashmiri ass who does not have a clue. Regarding Baluchistan, its better you debate that with Pakistanis rather than me, however If I were you, I would maybe draw parallels with the Naxals of India or the Maoists etc in the central plains of India n not Kashmir.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, I am an ass of the dastardliness valley and therefore don't have a clue....
Adios Mano, thought I might get a reasonable evaluation from you as to how the Indians think but donkey's can't expect much....can they from elitist Indians like you.
Take care.
This is just a debate,i was just trying to score brownie points,and there was no intention,to deny you your aspirations.
ReplyDeleteThere is another flip side to how the Indian people treat Kashmiris,Anand Mahindra was asked to chair the India today conclave,IN 2008,Yasin Malik was invited to talk as a future leader of Kashmir,Shekar kapoor made a off the cuff remark on Yasin Malik,hats off to Anand Mahindra,on how he ticked away Shaker Kapur,and insisted Yasin Malik be herd out,as a future leader of Kashmir.Watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GDvnOhakSII
The Naxals and Maoists resorted to terrorist activity,their problems are symptomatic of a huge country like India,and the caste system,and the concurrent vote bank politics of central India,the have resorted to violence and killing,the state machinery will hit back,there is no room for violence,whomsoever that maybe in India,who have grievance.
India is a large country,with a huge population,its not possible to keep everyone happy,the law of averages will play out,the wealth needs to spread far and wide,India is trying,we will get there,no doubt about it,for every 3 naxals,there is a productive engineer,with a potential to earn,we will go through our difficulties,till then they will have to live out their misery,but,mark my words,we will make the change.
i know you have expectations,but i have to keep the larger interest of my nation building,to ensure your problems are addressed. i don't see how indulging in violence,is going to see you through.
Islamic republic of Pakistan was formed 60 years back,it used to be an annual ritual,to exchange 10 students from Doon school and Karachi grammar school,WE stayed as guests in the middle of 90s,the height of Sunni,shia killing,and mohajir problem,it was difficult to see people of the same monolithic religion,fight it off for personal liberty and space,and wanting freedom and non interference,its ironic,just like in diverse India.
The day the army and people of Kashmir,learn co-existence and toleration,then only will the door to salvation will open,its not going to come on a platter,but that a risk you have to take,violence will harden both sides,and will come with the baggage it creates,and the load will never allow you to go forward.i don't see any other way,that's my 2 pennies worth of an idea,take it or leave it.
By the way,you not willing to,PICK UP the gauntlet and handle a tricky situation like Baluchistan vs Kashmir,was a weak move on the chess board,i would have gone for it,i know my weakness,and would not shy away from such a situation,to take problems,and fight weakness heads on...that may not be the correct thing to do,but i am not afraid of the demons that may haunt me.
Adios
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ReplyDelete@ Chinar, Allah bless you.
ReplyDelete@ Mano..
O bhai!..
Kashmir is a disturbed area,war is dirty business,Pakistan has not made it easier on India,you must be very naive to even think,the Pakistanis and the hardliners in the Hurriyat ,are really involved in a solution,its profitable to keep the pot boiling,the Hurriyat leaders have amassed huge wealth,by way of donations.
This is exactly what Pakistanis think of Indians not wanting to resolve the Kashmir issue!..both sides are just pointing fingers...
You really need to study more on our perspective..its good to have an open mind..
As admitting our mistakes help us become better people..
The Pakistani army needs power,without Kashmir,they don't have an enemy of the east namely Hindustan,that's a situation worse than war for them....
For God's sake, get a life!, you just know 1/2 pakistanis studying with you..what satan do you think we are? do you think we actually like our soldiers getting killed in Swat?...
who does not want peace?.who does not want to worry about the ordinary things in life...like us losing the cricket match for instance,.. than to think about suicide bombings..we yearn for the day when we can just sit back and have an ordinary day...and you say here that we want Hindustan as an enemy forever???. I am sure not even chinar wants that.
we are human, i personally believe its not human nature to kill or hurt .. nobody wants insanity..
i always love seeing desis (read pakistanis and indians) while in uk or america, the gora lands..it always make me happy such is affection for our part of the world. you would know that the indians are equally happy too. i am so immensely proud of our heritage and rich culture, and being truly blessed with a great fertile land of the sub continent... just a couple of months back i questioned myself why indians and pakistanis cant live together, its the same land and we have coexisted for long. i got my answers soon, with our religions and practices its not possible to live together without fighting constantly, but still thinking what insanity is this that a human fights with a fellow human being..thats why i say why cant we live and let live..its a sad part of life really..
Islam teaches us to tolerate all religions, now i am not pointing fingers here, but it wouldn’t have been possible for hindus and muslims to coexist because of the caste system in India even if the Muslims minded their own business.as no body likes being treated as untouchable..i have heard and felt myself that the new generation of Hindus are not into the caste system much. I hope its true.
Mano..your perceptions seem much biased..i would suggest you have a dialogue with some well read Pakistanis of good repute..and that with an open mind..
And not be self obsessed for a while :-)
i wonder what study you have done before spewing hatred for pakistan and the pakistan army..all word of mouth and the media i am sure..you need to interact with people, a lot of pakistanis, to have a clear picture.
stop looking into history books, what good is your intellect and ideas and if you cant bring about a difference.