Everyone knows that a public flogging like this one will create a stir. The fake Taliban who also call themselves 'Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan' [TTP] did this intentionally. And the Pakistani media played along, repeating the footage ad nauseum for ratings. The problem is that this appears to be a deliberate attempt by these suspicious 'Pakistani Taliban' to derail the peace deal that has robbed them from the excuse to fight their own country and people by claiming that Shariah is not implemented. This attempt is another indicator in the piles of circumstantial evidence collected over the past two years that proves that while most of the foot soldiers of the 'Pakistani Taliban' are our own misguided young Pakistanis, the real handlers behind this shadowy group are people with links to the border area with Afghanistan where, according to the latest statement by Interior Adviser Rehman Malik, some 4000 foreign fighters are present. These foreign fighters are not the remnants of the jihad of the 1980s. These are professionally trained killers, experts in recruiting, organizing and unleashing 'death squads', and psyop experts. During President Musharraf's time, while he thought the Americans were his allies, CIA and Karzai's NDS and the Brits penetrated the Pakistani territory and established an elaborate network of their own operatives and spies on the ground. Tens of U.S. operatives fluent in Pashto and Uzbek and Chechen and other languages were released in the area and are still there. No one in Pakistan knows what they are exactly doing. When you see the strength of a fake Taliban like Baitullah Mehsud who has 25,000 fighters under his command, you wonder about his neverending supply of money and modern weapons. He has never been chased by the Americans. CIA has started bombing some places under his command to convince the Pakistani military that the U.S. is not double crossing Pakistan. The Americans and the pro-Indian Afghan security officials, in addition to the Indian intelligence outposts on Afghan soil, all have exploited Pakistani weaknesses in the area and pushed their own 'fake Islamists' inside to confuse the entire situation. Now when there is peace in Swat, this TTP comes into action to discredit the implementation of Shariah in the region. This Shariah has nothing to do with TTP. The deal was brokered and struck with genuine local known religious figures. The TTP is basically based in the tribal belt and is linked to Mehsud. Also remember that the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan, who are the real Taliban, have ceased their links with this TTP long time back. In fact many Afghan Taliban have directly and indirectly conveyed to Pakistani authorities that they are busy in Afghanistan and have nothing to do with TTP which pays lip service to fighting the Americans and focuses on killing Pakistani citizens. News editors in our TV channels need to understand this. They should not have given these criminals who are hiding behind the name of 'Taliban' the satisfaction of giving a successful media blow to the peace deal. It is also interesting to note that everything the TTP and Baitullah Mehsud does - from attacking Lahore on the day Obama was to release his new Afghan policy, to trying to sabotage the Swat deal which Washington opposes, not to mention attacking Pakistani targets and kidnapping the Chinese- all of this generally ends up supporting the American designs in Pakistan.
I think we don’t need any external enemy in presence of those FAKE TALIBANS, to misuse Islam &shariah in all over the world.....I think PAKISTAN has trapped deeply into enemies plans. it is a SUSPICIOUS VIDEO TO SABOTAGE PEACE DEAL IN SAWAT
ReplyDeleteSOME QUESTIONS FROM SAMAR MINULLAH, AND OUR MEDIA WHO EXPOSED THIS VIDEO
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DR AFFIA SIDDIQUE KIDNAPPED BY OUR INTELLIGENCE AGNECIES, HANDED OVER TO AMERCIA, ACCORDING TO MUZZAM BAIG’S BOOK, (a British national released from bigram air base and Guantanamo) SHE BEEN RAPED EEVRY DAY BY 6 AMERCIAN SOLDIERS AND SEXSUALLY ABUSED in BUGRAM,KABUL...WHERE WERE YOU,OUR MEDIA AND HUMAN RIGHTS CTIVIST, WHY YOU ARE STILL SILENT????
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7 PAKISTANI WOMENS WERE KILLED IN A DRONE ATTACK ON 3rd OF SEPTEMBER 2007 IN ANGOOR ADDA BY AMERCIAN FORCES, WHY YOU WERE SILENT????
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2 CHILDRENS AND ONE WOMEN WERE KILLED in ORAKZAI AGENCY BY DRONES ON 1ST OF APRIL 2009 WHY YOU WERE SILENT????
Q4.
A 18 YEAR OLD GIRL ''Ms TASNEEM'' WAS PUT IN FRONT OF 4 DOGS TO EAT IN SINDH CHIEF MINISTER QAIM ALI SHAH'S VILLAGE ,WHY YOU DIDNT CRY AT THAT TIME,BECAUSE HE IS RICH ??????????????
NOW WHEN EVERY THING IS GOING TOWARDS PEACE, YOU SUDDENLY HAVE DISCLOSED THIS VIDEO AFTER SIX MONTHS???????
Shame and curse on our media specially Geo news to support the zionsts propoganda.
ReplyDeleteThere is very heavy penetration of CIA sponsered agents in our media and they have gone free to fascist as a wagabond.
Thanks you Ahmed for highlighting the weakest link in the whole puzzle. Its not the question anymore who is behind this footage as it is evident through your elaboration that AF-Talibans has nothing to do with this crime. But to be honest, i disagree on, that Afghan Talibans are not behind this incident, whether they are in Pakistan or across the border, Talibans are behind every action happening around. HAVE YOU NOTICED:WHERE IS AL QAEDA GONE IN ALL OF THIS? oops! we don't hear much about them lately-FUNNY 'innit? Talibans punchline is Shria on which they sell their FUCKed-UP agenda. I do not buy this, that the swat valley is any better from those who were shown in that clip. All these M-F^^kers are one breed. They are putting forward "Shria" (a team of HOMOSEXUALS)? These are non state terror actors, fully supported (including logistics) by the foreign intelligence elements on our soil. This COCKHEAD FM-Baitullah (khanees) mehsud should be surgically wiped out. What our ISI is doing? Where is their ground feelers? Is ISI a failure? there are many questions popping randomly as the daily developments surface in Pakistan...
ReplyDeleteAll of the Pakistani media reports are crappy irrelevant stuff. They have started doing the same stuff which we used to look at cheap Indian media Zee news/star news just to have a good laugh. Aaj tv kept playing that video for like I dunno half an hour and kept talking to NGO's, ministers asking for there comments. Next we see it it has made it on 'The Guardian' website along with the video. Maligning the image of Pakistan even more.
ReplyDeleteThey are probably the worst media of the world currently who are serving the purpose of the enemies rather than Pakistan and this trend has been started by Geo and to improve there own viewership other channels have started following them as well.
P.S: It was obvious with the way those men holding the girl and were looking at the camera that they recorded it to have there share of limelight in this useless media, plus succeed in deteriorating the image of Pakistan.
When there was Army action in Swat, We witnessed that everyday people were slaughtered. One woman of Mingora who was a dancer but after threats from Talibans, she quit dancing. One night people heard her horrible screams. She was brought dragging from her hair to a chowk and she was made nude. Her womanly body parts were mutilated and whole of the people around that area heard her horrible screams. She was assassinated in very brutal and inhumanly way. All the correspondents of Geo, Express, ARY and other channels know about this event. But it was not made public. When It was needed to plead the case of Swat people, nobody did so. But now when Swat is in peace. People are happy as they no more see hanging headless bodies every morning. Banks are open. Schools are started to open. Pakistan army is free to take care of its Eastern and Western borders, our enemies played another trick. They used their ever and long lasting servants rather slaves NGOs so called human rights activists. They ignited the people to pressurize Government to cancel the peace agreement. Where were these NGOs when Talibaan were slaughtering people. Where were these NGOs when people of swat had to be displaced and had to live in groups of 3-4 families in one room of camps or schools. Why media did not take up the matter when the girl was murdered in inhuman way. It is clear that these people want that our army remain busy at Swat and America and India could easily start new planned war in our Tribal areas. Baitullah mahsood is also seving the same purpose and making environment favorable for USA to enter in our Tribal Areas. He is sometimes saying to attack USA and sometimes claims responsibility for firing and killings in USA. We Pakistanis should be able to distinguish between our enemies and friends
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All those fake taliban/sadists are trained by America in America and then send to Pakistan. Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXOLGLkUhhM&feature=channel_page
ReplyDeleteThose fake taliban/sadists deserve the same treatment from that little girl, and so do the spectators for not stopping those mofos taliban from flogging that innocent girl. In fact, the spectators deserve the harshest punishment ever given in the history of mankind. I think their penises should be cut in half.
Chief of Army Staff General Kayani must conduct an extreme SSG backed shoot on sight ground search operation against those sadist taliban in Swat. Enough is enough. I wonder what Israel would have done if they were in such difficult situation.
By the way, I don't understand... how come can 3000 sadists displace 10,00,000 people? Those people should have gotten united against those terrorists instead of leaving Swat...
Yes the terrorists are backed by India/US, that much is clear. They don’t want the peace in Swat, and thus the peace deal to work…that is clear too. But just a few things:
ReplyDelete1] Whether it’s the local Taliban, the Afghan Taliban, the misguided Pakistanis or whoever…the fact remains that what happened was injustice. Not only is it against humanity, but also Sharia. So WHOEVER is doing it, still needs to be dealt with. Some of the activists were intelligent enough to point out that the incident needs to be looked at in isolation with the deal. The deal is no reason to turn a blind eye to this, as that will only encourage such elements {our enemies}. This showed a woman being whipped….the next will show one being stoned to death.
2] Why can the content of the deal not be open to discussion? If there are going to be Kazi courts in place, without any proper system of legislation and repeal,
at least we can talk about the system, without attempting to derail the peace process. What are the academic qualifications of these Kazis, are they educated religious scholars or jahil molvis? The idea is not to question Shariah, but those who are implementing it.
3} This punishment was not given by those who are party to the deal, but there were statements by some religious leaders defending it, one even said that had the girl been brought to a Qazi, she would have been given the punishment of Sansaar {stoning to death} instead of JUST being whipped. Also there have been instances of men being publicly whipped.
The point is, the timing of the video is extremely suspicious, and the Media showing it repeatedly is not helping, but that is still not enough reason to ignore this. The peace deal is a need of the time, because we can no longer afford the war in Swat in terms of human life, but that also puts the Government on a weaker wicket. Scrutinizing the content of the deal does not mean under estimating its importance… it is only an attempt to ensure that the conditions after the deal will not be worse than those before it.
And lastly, Mr Quraishi since you seem to be upset with the media for showing the video footage again and again….what is that image of the tragedy doing on the top of your article?
True....Very ture. I don't know but when I first saw this video over youtube with original sound, my first intuition was 'this can't be REAL', my mind was not going to accept this at any cost because we all Pakistanis who live there or have roots in there know very well about these people. They don't show their faces to a camera (and this video was clearly filmed), they don't look at women (how can they touch or beat infront of masses), that wicked man was clearly swearing at the other (which again doesn't represent them or Qazi). There are several other points to be noted but I don't encourage people to go and hit that video again and again as this after all projects a very bad image of our Deen and Pakistan.
ReplyDeleteThanks Mr. Qureshi for raising this here and seconding my initial thought.
I have been saying this now for the past 3-4 months...I ll say it again...we have to stop our media...we have to make them patriot...we need good Muslim representation all over the World...we don't need this media...why are our learned class not stopping this media????now that everyone knows that this media is either sold out or very dumb then stop it................stop ittttttt!!!!!!!!!! Stop them for Allah's sake Pakistan's sake....
ReplyDeleteWowwwwwwwwwwwwww Mr quraishi and Company....what a joke. Anybody with a shred of humanity left in him would first of all condem this kind of treatment, yet you have the guts to term this vedio fake.( TTP spokesman Muslim khan acknowledges it to be correct)...and justify this strategy. Even if the deal is done or scraped...Do you want this kind of justice? Will you like it to be applied to you kith and kin and your womenfolk irrespective of the deal? Tell me when Taliban spokesman acknowledges it and admits that justice was done...and had there been a qazi court she would have been stoned to death. All this on the complaint of a neighbour that she came out of the home with a person to whom she was not married. Now just answer these questions...not to me but to your own heart!And if you still have the same opinion then i beg your pardon..spare me your presence on my note. Thanks
ReplyDeleteWas the girl Muslim?
Was the people holding and lashing her Muslim/
Was there any foreign person present there?... Read More
Is there Afghanistan or NATO or US action in Swat?
Don't Taliban leaders own it?
Don't they ask for such laws?
Don't the Ullema in Punjab and Sindh and Karachi support this? Examples...Muniburrehman, Syed Munawar Hassan, Liaqat Baloch Hafiz Hussain, Qazi and bearless Talibs Hamid gul, Imran khan?
Will you like the same for your sister daughter?
Allah Hafiz and if you want more arguements then have a look
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@azra
ReplyDeleteeveryone is condemning....I don't know who is not????but question is! Is it real or another psy-op to defame Islam & Muslims???
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print.asp?id=73794
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=73791
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/lg/pakistan/2009/04/090405_govt_vedio_contradicts_fz.shtml
@ Laila & Azra:
ReplyDeleteBy reading your comments, it is clear that the purpose of releasing this video has been achieved. There are two kinds of people, those who believe, and those who agree. You my dears have fallen under the category of the latter. If you were believers, you would have understood this without further question that through the Swat peace deal with Sufi Mohammad's TNSM, one party gained, and others lost. The gaining party in this case was Pakistan Army or you may say Pakistan. The losers, as is widely clear, were CIA, RAW & MOSSAD who were financing and pursuing the terrorism / unrest in our Tribal belt, with much interest. Now, after the release of this video, who're the gainers and who are the losers? Its clear. Someone does not want the deal to last for long. We remember very clearly that the US & India openly condemned the signing of the peace accord with Sufi Mohammad. However, for the first time, our Army leadership and Daft Govt. took a strong stance in favor of this deal. This video my friends, is a fake for those who believe, however, for those who agree to whatever they see (without seeing between the lines), the peace treaty between the Govt. and Sufi becomes a huge question mark - despite the fact that neither the location of the video's shoot can be confirmed, nor the authenticity of its characters can in any way be proved, yet, the "agree-ers" fall prey to the propaganda and start questioning the peace accord. Let me also remind our readers here that the date of the video shoot can not be obtained (which implies that even if the event DID take place, it took place BEFORE the agreement was signed) - and most interestingly, the Guardian and NYT got this before the Pakistani media could get a hold of it. How come? Please don't be emotional when you come across such events. Yes, this is a disgrace to the country, but ruling out the possibility of this video being a fake is like turning a blind eye to all rational thoughts.
mr. quraishi, as a member, and a vocal one at that, of the pakistani media, i am surprised that you don't jump to defend the institution that pays for your bread and butter.
ReplyDeletethe second irony in this thread is that everyone claiming to be a muslim is shouting that this video is meant to defame islam. please wake up to the fact that Sharia law allows for such punishment - that flogging of a woman take place in public. there may have been technical issues, such as whether the condition of witnesses was satisfied, but the point is that this punishment is very much a part of Sharia and Islamic law.
thirdly, the video did not go to NYT or Guardian first. it went to facebook and youtube. the guardian was the first to put it online. our media, which is really not as powerful as people think, only chose to go after it once they saw it was already out. almost all the major channels had access to that video before it was aired. again mr. qureshi, i would expect you to clear this fact up for your
readers.
To Ahmed Quraishi and all of you
ReplyDeleteAssalamualikum,
Usually I do not comment unless I feel it is very necessary. I want to say this as frankly as possible.
A Muslim is neither stupid nor excessively gullible. A Muslim is brave yet humble. When a Muslim makes a decision it is based on truth and knowledge. Most importantly it is based on justice that is unbiased. The holy Qur'an says " O you who believe, when you recieve information from a wicked source, verify, lest you may harm people out of ignorance" (49:6)
The problem with us today is that we are extremely ignorant. We talk with out evidence. We just feel good to input with no regard to the effect. Muslims, we need to critically analyze our surroundings and our threats. We need to denounce what is wrong and stand strong with what is right. We need to be objective. When I was in school people used this metaphoric term "aagay se cheunti(ant) bhi naa jaaye peechay se haathi(elephant) chala jaaye". The point is when we see somethi
ng we get emotional and sometimes we get into a frenzy, write some harsh comments and thats about it. In the next few minutes we have already forgotten.
We have deviated from our standard of rationalization. Our standard of rationalization is the holy Quran. Muslims we need to be aware and reasonable. We have to be calm and composed so that the enemies cannot exploit and divide us.
This message is not to offend people who think the video real, rather a humble request to all. May Allah guide all of us in the right path.
All constructive criticisms are welcome at humdi84@hotmail.com